QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by boast:
so teams with poor OLs will have a greater influence on a QBs TOWP percentage because the QB is constantly getting pressured and create more chances for getting the ball loose.

You could say the same thing about INT's.

Niner Talk told me QB WINS are team stat so i guess TOWPs are too.

Wtf are QB wins? Wins are a team stat.

Yo Momma is a team stat

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Brandon Aiyuk on Brock Purdy: "This dude is on a different level"

A QB who actually knows what he's doing out there

San Francisco wide receiver Brandon Aiyuk said that there was never a moment's doubt that Purdy was in command of the two-minute offense as he called audibles, told teammates what to do, and methodically drove the offense down the field.

like i said a few days ago, that drive with a lil over 40 seconds left in regulation felt like i was watching the end of a late 80s Niner game.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Purdy's pass that bounced off Kittle's chest in the end zone. Purdy zipped it between two defenders to hit Kittle.
is it a Turnover worthy play, or Touchdown worthy play… or both?

I was thinking of the TOWP as an analysis of incompletions, but plays like this really could be both. A tick under each for one incompletion, which kinda confuses the data a little for me. Perhaps not, and I'm overthinking,

I would not consider that a TWP considering it hit Kittle in the shoulder pads.

That would not be considered a TWP, if anything it would be considered a BTT (big time throw).

what is considered a BTT

"best described as a pass with excellent ball location and timing, generally thrown further down the field and/or into a tighter window"

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Brandon Aiyuk on Brock Purdy: "This dude is on a different level"

A QB who actually knows what he's doing out there

San Francisco wide receiver Brandon Aiyuk said that there was never a moment's doubt that Purdy was in command of the two-minute offense as he called audibles, told teammates what to do, and methodically drove the offense down the field.

slappin Jimmy for all the times he was open and completely ignored lol

Translation: "He targeted ME on every play instead of Kittle or Deebo."

LOL. j/k. Purdy is playing at a special level, indeed.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Brandon Aiyuk on Brock Purdy: "This dude is on a different level"

A QB who actually knows what he's doing out there

San Francisco wide receiver Brandon Aiyuk said that there was never a moment's doubt that Purdy was in command of the two-minute offense as he called audibles, told teammates what to do, and methodically drove the offense down the field.

slappin Jimmy for all the times he was open and completely ignored lol

I don't think it has anything to do with Jimmy. Aiyuk just praising Brock's command of the situation.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Purdy's pass that bounced off Kittle's chest in the end zone. Purdy zipped it between two defenders to hit Kittle.
is it a Turnover worthy play, or Touchdown worthy play… or both?

I was thinking of the TOWP as an analysis of incompletions, but plays like this really could be both. A tick under each for one incompletion, which kinda confuses the data a little for me. Perhaps not, and I'm overthinking,

I would not consider that a TWP considering it hit Kittle in the shoulder pads.

What does PFF say about it?

I likely missed it, but all this discussion about what PFF considers to be an almost INT seems useless unless it is concretely defined.

https://www.pff.com/news/bet-pff-turnover-worthy-plays-bet-nfl-player-props#:~:text=Since%202006%2C%20PFF%20has%20tracked%20a%20statistic%20called,the%20pocket%2C%20throws%20that%20are%20interceptable%20and%20interceptions.

Thanks. This is what I see:

Since 2006, PFF has tracked a statistic called "turnover-worthy plays," which include fumbles in the pocket, throws that are interceptable and interceptions.

I believe that "throws that are interceptable" has a level of subjectivity to it.

I'm not sure why people are so down on a subjective stat but believe that QB INT's are gospel when it comes to player evaluation. The fault of each INT is subjective in the fact that there are so many variables on each play. The INT stat gives very little room for proper QB performance evaluation and therefor is a weak stat to use to judge a QB.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Purdy's pass that bounced off Kittle's chest in the end zone. Purdy zipped it between two defenders to hit Kittle.
is it a Turnover worthy play, or Touchdown worthy play… or both?

I was thinking of the TOWP as an analysis of incompletions, but plays like this really could be both. A tick under each for one incompletion, which kinda confuses the data a little for me. Perhaps not, and I'm overthinking,

I would not consider that a TWP considering it hit Kittle in the shoulder pads.

What does PFF say about it?

I likely missed it, but all this discussion about what PFF considers to be an almost INT seems useless unless it is concretely defined.

https://www.pff.com/news/bet-pff-turnover-worthy-plays-bet-nfl-player-props#:~:text=Since%202006%2C%20PFF%20has%20tracked%20a%20statistic%20called,the%20pocket%2C%20throws%20that%20are%20interceptable%20and%20interceptions.

Thanks. This is what I see:

Since 2006, PFF has tracked a statistic called "turnover-worthy plays," which include fumbles in the pocket, throws that are interceptable and interceptions.

I believe that "throws that are interceptable" has a level of subjectivity to it.

I'm not sure why people are so down on a subjective stat but believe that QB INT's are gospel when it comes to player evaluation. The fault of each INT is subjective in the fact that there are so many variables on each play. The INT stat gives very little room for proper QB performance evaluation and therefor is a weak stat to use to judge a QB.

And typically every single subjective stat has an operational definition tied to it. I'd imagine the public gets the general definition of it but within a company like PFF, it's even more detailed and there are 4-5 levels of review and consensus...meaning, there is a strong attempt at objectivity and consistency.

You and I saw this with Time to Throw with PFF and NextGen. Even though each defined this differently in raw numbers, since they were consistent, we saw the same "patterns of data."

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by boast:

so teams with poor OLs will have a greater influence on a QBs TOWP percentage because the QB is constantly getting pressured and create more chances for getting the ball loose.

You could say the same thing about INT's.

Niner Talk told me QB WINS are team stat so i guess TOWPs are too.

Wtf are QB wins? Wins are a team stat.

PFR lists the QBs record as a statistic associated with the QB, so do many other stat sites.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PurdBr00.htm

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I do understand how this data is produced and it is subjective. What understanding am I missing?

It isn't an objective "statistic".

What is the formula for determining when a throw into double coverage is turbines worthy and when it is not?

Go look it up and look at the correlation of TWPR equaling more INTs. It's not some 5 games sample size, it's year after year proven correlation.

Statistics can be subjective in context of a debate. Completion % is a formula, completing more passes = good, right? If you're completion a bunch of passes at or near the LOS and missing more valuable passes downfield, that's not good.

These are examples of TWPs how anyone thinks they're not is beyond me

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

Purdy's pass that bounced off Kittle's chest in the end zone. Purdy zipped it between two defenders to hit Kittle.
is it a Turnover worthy play, or Touchdown worthy play… or both?

I was thinking of the TOWP as an analysis of incompletions, but plays like this really could be both. A tick under each for one incompletion, which kinda confuses the data a little for me. Perhaps not, and I'm overthinking,

I would not consider that a TWP considering it hit Kittle in the shoulder pads.

What does PFF say about it?

I likely missed it, but all this discussion about what PFF considers to be an almost INT seems useless unless it is concretely defined.

https://www.pff.com/news/bet-pff-turnover-worthy-plays-bet-nfl-player-props#:~:text=Since%202006%2C%20PFF%20has%20tracked%20a%20statistic%20called,the%20pocket%2C%20throws%20that%20are%20interceptable%20and%20interceptions.

Thanks. This is what I see:

Since 2006, PFF has tracked a statistic called "turnover-worthy plays," which include fumbles in the pocket, throws that are interceptable and interceptions.

I believe that "throws that are interceptable" has a level of subjectivity to it.

I will defer to the Counsellor from here on out.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I'm not sure why people are so down on a subjective stat but believe that QB INT's are gospel when it comes to player evaluation. The fault of each INT is subjective in the fact that there are so many variables on each play. The INT stat gives very little room for proper QB performance evaluation and therefor is a weak stat to use to judge a QB.

Right? PFF is grading the throw, not the outcome. Just because you make a bad read or throw and inaccurate ball and it doesn't get picked off…doesn't mean you had a good play.

it's not like every INT is a bad QB pass either.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Brandon Aiyuk on Brock Purdy: "This dude is on a different level"

A QB who actually knows what he's doing out there

San Francisco wide receiver Brandon Aiyuk said that there was never a moment's doubt that Purdy was in command of the two-minute offense as he called audibles, told teammates what to do, and methodically drove the offense down the field.

like i said a few days ago, that drive with a lil over 40 seconds left in regulation felt like i was watching the end of a late 80s Niner game.

Purdy's calmness out there is making me too relaxed watching these games

One advanced metric is fearlessness which he has you can tell when pressured he's calm as can be, off schedule master which was a big problem with JG. Trey can be good here but he was a bit deer in headlights as I don't think he has played enough ball yet.

My b-day is 8 days after Brock's..so I am off to celebrate..go shorty it's my birthday 🎶 The Niners gave me that win for an early b-day present. Could not have asked for a better gift:). What a game. Good ppl are born in the winter time. We tend to rock, some not as much as Brock though:)

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Purdy's pass that bounced off Kittle's chest in the end zone. Purdy zipped it between two defenders to hit Kittle.
is it a Turnover worthy play, or Touchdown worthy play… or both?

I was thinking of the TOWP as an analysis of incompletions, but plays like this really could be both. A tick under each for one incompletion, which kinda confuses the data a little for me. Perhaps not, and I'm overthinking,

I would not consider that a TWP considering it hit Kittle in the shoulder pads.

What does PFF say about it?

I likely missed it, but all this discussion about what PFF considers to be an almost INT seems useless unless it is concretely defined.

https://www.pff.com/news/bet-pff-turnover-worthy-plays-bet-nfl-player-props#:~:text=Since%202006%2C%20PFF%20has%20tracked%20a%20statistic%20called,the%20pocket%2C%20throws%20that%20are%20interceptable%20and%20interceptions.

Thanks. This is what I see:

Since 2006, PFF has tracked a statistic called "turnover-worthy plays," which include fumbles in the pocket, throws that are interceptable and interceptions.

I believe that "throws that are interceptable" has a level of subjectivity to it.

I'm not sure why people are so down on a subjective stat but believe that QB INT's are gospel when it comes to player evaluation. The fault of each INT is subjective in the fact that there are so many variables on each play. The INT stat gives very little room for proper QB performance evaluation and therefor is a weak stat to use to judge a QB.

I don't completely disagree with you on INTs. They also require a deeper dive.

all of this is just data - information that goes into an analysis.